Remote Principal nCino Salesforce Systems Engineer
\nMore than 130 years ago, we started with core values that never go out of style: listen, learn and help businesses and individuals reach their goals. Our financial strength and stability are key reasons Forbes names us one of the Best 100 Banks in America the past eight consecutive years and Newsweek names Banner one of the Most Trustworthy Companies the past four years.\n\n\nWith more than $15 billion in assets and over 150 locations throughout Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and California, we understand our role in the economy and take that responsibility seriously. In addition to offering a source of capital to personal banking clients and businesses of all sizes, we place a high importance on employee volunteerism and donate millions of dollars each year to community organizations.\n\n\nThe primary objective of a Principal nCIno/Salesforce Systems Engineer is to provide technical leadership for the Business Systems Administration team maintaining critical enterprise business solutions on-prem, in Microsoft Azure, and a Salesforce hosted environment. Incumbents in this position must have significant technical skills and the ability to apply those skills towards real, workable solutions in nCino for a dynamic business environment. Under the general direction of the IT leadership team and enterprise architect, this position is responsible to advises junior staff members in the group and is expected to plan and organize the group's workload, priorities and project deliverables. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn this role you'll have the opportunity to:\n* Maintain, install, tune, upgrade, and troubleshoot technical components and sub systems relevant to supported business applications. Develop code, scripts, systems, tools, or other solutions to reduce operational burden by automating complex and repetitive tasks.\n* Develop monitoring and maintenance strategies to ensure availability and performance standard are being met. Monitor and continually review existing applications systems to ensure they are designed to comply with established standards and to empower business operations. Enhance existing tools, develop scalable tools that reduce manual intervention, enhance prevention, detection, and mitigation of service impacts.\n* Perform evaluation of new application systems and partner with leaders across the organization to research and recommend solutions which balance business needs and risk mitigation. Assess architecture and current hardware limitations, define and design system specifications, and evaluate input/output processes and working parameters for hardware/software compatibility.\n* Lead the planning for and supporting disaster recovery and business continuity initiatives. Collaborate across engineering to drive operational health improvements, root cause analysis, post-incident discussions, and their associated remediation's that serve to improve reliability and scale operations.\n* Develop and manage relations with external partners and application vendors including installation and repair of services. Maintain service contracts and licensing; effectively negotiate with outside parties; escalate issues as needed.\n* Analyze and determine systems integration needs and requirements. Coordinates design of subsystems and integration of total system. Defines system support requirements to include monitoring, capacity, staffing and patching/updating. Develop and maintain appropriate applications documentation, including current design and operation.\n* Drive continuous improvement of system automation and system integration of business processes. Remain current on new technologies, methods, and procedure. Proactively identify opportunities to leverage technology tools and techniques to support and improve application resiliency, business processes and operation functions.\n* Identify risks to system integrity (security threats, DR incidents, data corruption), develop policies, determine appropriate precautions, create measurable standards, document procedures, implement changes, and perform ongoing maintenance to ensure business continuity during unplanned events.\n\n\n\nPosition Requirements\n* Bachelor's Degree: IT, Computer Science, or other related field required (an equivalent combination of education and experience may be considered) \n* Administrator certifications related to Salesforce highly preferred\n* 8 or more years of IT experience in the banking, finance, or insurance industry. Substantial exposure in application systems administration with a focus on enterprise-level software application platform required \n* Experience implementing new nCino products onto the Salesforce platform required\n* Must reside in one of the following states: WA, CA, OR, ID, MT, NV, CO, UT, or AZ\n\n\n\nKnowledge, Skills and Abilities\n* Proven experience with complex system planning, configuration, and implementation. Knowledge of Core banking processing technologies, enterprise applications integration, and business process automation tools and best practices. \n* Demonstrate strong technical expertise in installing, configuring, and maintaining software applications in a complex IT environment. Proficiency in troubleshooting performance issues and root causes. Knowledge of programming languages and web-based technologies. \n* Intermediate to advanced knowledge of compute environments, such as server hardware, storage, and virtualization. Skill in scripting language technology, such as PowerShell, Python or T-SQL. Good understanding in data mapping, system conversions, and system integration. Experience with Cloud technologies, such as Kubernetes, Microsoft Azure, and or Amazon Web Services. \n* Ability to meet established deadlines and handle multiple customer service demands from internal and external customers. Able to convey appropriate level of detail effectively to all levels of the organization including non-technical staff and leadership. Excellent communication skills both written and verbal. Ability to collaborate to solve technical problems across teams. Excellent customer service skills, including the ability to handle difficult situations with tact and discretion. \n* Possess a high degree of initiative and motivation. Knowledge of ITIL and ITSM governance concepts. Ability to prioritize and execute tasks in a high-pressure environment. Ability to author policies, document risks, and propose solutions to IT management and senior leadership. \n* Knowledge of commonly used financial industry concepts, practices and guidelines. Familiar with federal and state laws/regulations relative to the IT industry. \n\n\n\nTravel\n* Up to 20%\n\n\n\nCompensation & Benefits\n* Targeted starting compensation range is based on location and experience: $150,000 - $180,000\n* Incentive and commission compensation may be awarded for eligible roles\n* Comprehensive employee benefits, including: medical, dental, vision, LTD, STD and life\n* Paid vacation time, sick time, personal days, paid volunteer time and 11 company paid holidays\n* 401k (up to 4% match with immediate vesting)\n* Tuition reimbursement up to $5,250 annually (minimum service requirement)\n* Read more about these and additional benefits at: Employee Benefits | Banner Bank\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPlease take time to review Banner Bank's Consent & Privacy notice before applying.\n\n\nBanner Bank is an Equal Opportunity Employer committed to diversity in the workplace. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, citizenship, marital status, age, disability or protected veteran status.\n\n\nBanner Bank does not accept unsolicited resumes from agencies and/or search firms for any job postings. Resumes submitted to any Banner Bank employee by a third-party agency and/or search firm without a valid written and signed search agreement, will become the sole property of Banner Bank. No fee will be paid if a candidate is hired for a position as a result of an unsolicited agency or search firm referral. \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Salesforce, Design, Amazon, Python, Education, Finance, Cloud, Senior, Junior and Engineer jobs that are similar:\n\n
$50,000 — $80,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
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Remote Senior Full Stack Web Developer for Scientific Applications
\nEmployment Visa sponsorship is offered for this position.\n\n\nTeam Description: \nKitwareโs Data and Analytics team helps internal and external customers deliver their next data and AI workflows with our expertise in emerging web and software infrastructure technologies. The Data and Analytics team fosters a collaborative atmosphere where we pride ourselves on the proactive exchange of ideas. \n\n\nAbout the Projects:\nKitware collaborates on a multitude of basic and applied research and development aimed to improve critical issues in today's world in order to advance health care, improve national security, combat human trafficking, and understand climate change. Our collaborators include top universities from around the world, national research labs, medical device manufacturers, car manufacturers, financial institutions, government agencies, and many others. The projects range from extending our open source libraries and applications to developing proprietary domain-specific vertical applications for a wide array of platforms including web and mobile devices. The Data and Analytics team focuses on building Python and JavaScript-based web applications that provide solutions for data management, analysis, and visualization.\n\n\nSome Tools We Use:\nDjango - Postgres - Celery - Vue.js - GitHub\n\n\n\nIn This Position You Will:\n* Collaborate with our distributed research and development engineering team as well as external collaborators and customers to design and implement new features and fix bugs for our platforms and web applications.\n* Contribute to the overall architecture design of web applications.\n* Maintain scalability, code integrity, and usability of applications.\n* Participate in our teamโs software quality assurance practices.\n* Work concurrently on multiple projects for a variety of customers.\n* Be an excellent communicator with both local and remote teammates.\n* Translate scientific requirements of collaborators into technical and architectural application requirements.\n\n\n\nRequired Qualifications:\n* Masterโs degree or higher in Computer Science or related area, plus 5-8 years experience in web development, preferably in a technical/software industry, or equivalent amount of education and experience.\n* Back-end service programming in Python preferably with Django, Flask, FastAPI, or similar.\n* Experience with Database Management Systems (DBMS).\n* Strong knowledge of the modern browser programming environment, including HTML, CSS, and JavaScript/TypeScript.\n* Proficiency with modern front-end application frameworks such as React or Vue.js.\n* Knowledge of HTTP and related standards such as REST.\n* Ability to build secure web applications which protect against common attack vectors.\n* Experience with software quality process tools and methodologies, such as Git, continuous integration, and automated testing.\n\n\n\nPreferred Qualifications: \n* Experience designing and implementing greenfield software solutions, based on gathered business requirements.\n* Experience with cloud computing services, particularly AWS and Heroku.\n* Experience using DevOps methodologies and related tools, such as Terraform, Ansible, Kubernetes, and Docker.\n* Experience in building well-crafted user interfaces, including interactive data visualizations.\n\n\n\n\n$105,000 - $125,000 a year\n\nCompany Description:\nKitware is a research and development software solutions provider with a mission to advance science, make a positive impact, and share our results all within a collaborative, employee-focused work environment that is friendly, fair, and flexible. Our work is improving healthcare outcomes, increasing national security, and advancing our national computing infrastructure. Our customers and collaborators include top universities from around the world, government organizations, national research labs, medical device manufacturers, car manufacturers, financial institutions, and many others. \n\n\nKitware is proud to be 100% employee-owned, and Great Place to Work-Certifiedโข. \n\n\nAdditional Information:\nOur team members enjoy a small company environment, flexibility in work assignments, and high levels of independence and responsibility. Besides a great work environment, our comprehensive benefits package includes a competitive compensation plan, tuition reimbursement program, flexible working hours, six weeks paid time off, 401(k), health insurance, life insurance, short- and long-term disability insurance, bonus plan, and free coffee, drinks, and snacks. \n\n\nFor more information on our benefit offerings please visit: https://www.kitware.com/careers/.\n\n\nKitware actively subscribes to a policy of equal employment opportunity. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment without regard to race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, protected veteran status, uniformed service member status, or any other characteristics protected by applicable law. \n\n\nAny unsolicited resume sent to Kitware, including to Kitware's mailing addresses, fax machines or email addresses, whether directly to Kitware employees or to Kitware's applicant tracking system, will be considered Kitware property. Kitware will not pay a fee for any placement resulting from the receipt of an unsolicited resume, and will consider any candidate submitted by a recruitment agency without a fully executed contract with Kitware to have been referred free of any charges or fees.\n\n\nIf you need assistance with applying or interviewing for a role due to a disability or special need, please reach out directly to our HR team at [email protected] at any time during the hiring process. \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, React, Python, DevOps, Education, Cloud, Mobile and Senior jobs that are similar:\n\n
$52,500 — $110,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nRemote, USA
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\nAbout the Role\n\nBudgeted Salary Range: $175k - $225k\n\nOur engineers build and maintain the technology underpinning our OTC trading platform. They are responsible for core software development, data ingestion, transformation and distribution, as well as measuring and improving the performance of our systems. The ideal candidate will have experience in crypto currencies, capital markets and/or FX, solid understanding of data structures and algorithms, and very strong Python programming skills.\n\n \n\nResponsibilities\n\n\n* Manage multiple systems that communicate with one another via APIs (REST & WebSocket\n\n* Develop and maintain applications that support our core business offerings, placing an emphasis on their reliability and performance.\n\n* Write and document reliable and reusable code to advance our existing products and to develop new solutions, rigorously adhering to the requirements outlined by our Product team.\n\n* Ability to analyze application and performance issues that span multiple interdependent systems in real time.\n\n* Provide quick resolutions to production issues.\n\n* Contribute technical input for the planning and design process of new and existing systems.\n\n\n\n\nRequirements \n\n\n* Advanced Linux experience\n\n* Advanced Python experience\n\n* Experience with Python frameworks\n\n* Understanding of the OSI model and especially proficient understanding of the application layer\n\n* Knowledge of AWS\n\n* Advanced understanding of the concepts and fundamentals behind modern day Web APIs\n\n\n\n\nPreferred\n\n\n* 5+ years of experience with Linux\n\n* 5+ years of experience with Python\n\n* 3+ years of experience with AWS\n\n* 3+ years of experience with SQL\n\n* Experience with Nginx\n\n* Experience with HAProxy\n\n* Experience working with software for financial markets (crypto, FX, etc.)\n\n\n\n\nTechnologies\n\nAWS, PostgreSQL, Linux, Redis, Python, HAProxy, Javascript, Graphite/Grafana, Nginx, Django, Git\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, Crypto, Python, Senior, Engineer, Linux, Backend and Digital Nomad jobs that are similar:\n\n
$65,000 — $125,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nStamford, Connecticut, United States
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Overview\nAzavea is a civic technology firm based in Philadelphia that uses geospatial data to build software and data analytics for the web. As a B Corporation, our mission is to use advanced geospatial technology for positive civic, social, and environmental impact. Most of our work deals with local governments, non-profit organizations, and academic or federal research projects. We build custom web applications, perform geospatial analysis, and contribute to open-source projects. Our engineers work across the technology stack, from modern browser-based front-ends to robust service-based backends residing on scalable infrastructure. Find out more about careers at Azavea here.\n\nWe are looking for a Software Engineer at the Engineer II or III level (mid-level) who is passionate about building applications that will have a positive impact.ย \n\n-At the Engineer II level, an individual will take on tasks of increasing complexity without sacrificing efficiency or quality, demonstrate understanding of how their work fits into the bigger picture, exhibit a growth mindset by being responsive to feedback, and will be capable of leading features or projects.ย \n-At the Engineer III level, an individual will demonstrate expert competency within their primary area of expertise; own large, cross-cutting features or entire projects with minimal oversight; build relationships with and consensus amongst various stakeholders; and clearly communicate complex technical concepts to a wide range of audiences.ย \n\nIdeal candidates are interested in public service, but not necessarily in working for a government or a non-profit organization. We are interested in hiring someone located in Philadelphia or in the Philadelphia metro region to facilitate some amount of in-person work from our office, although we are very flexible about working from home. Compensation aligns with the Philadelphia metro region. Weโre excited about what we do, weโre growing, and we hope you will join us.\n\nSkills & Requirements\nAs a Software Engineer on the Geospatial Applications team, youโll be working alongside other engineers, project managers, and user experience designers to develop custom web software for our clients. Lately, weโve been developing tools to conduct remote street tree inventories and doing a fair bit of work in the civic space. Our team maintains DistrictBuilder, an open-source, collaborative redistricting tool that will support redistricting using 2020 Census data, and the Cicero API, an Azavea product that provides access to a comprehensive database of elected officials and legislative districts.\n\nOur applications are mostly written in JavaScript or TypeScript (React, Angular) and Python (Django), but we use many other technologies from time to time. Almost all of our work revolves around maps and geospatial data. If you havenโt worked with geospatial technology before, donโt worryโmany of our colleagues hadnโt when they joined us.\n\nYouโll notice that we donโt cite N years of experience or a Computer Science degree as requirements. Formal credentials like these are valuable, but we are primarily looking for people who have gained experience successfully building web applications that have seen real-world use. If you think this description fits you, even if your experience doesn't match up perfectly with the technologies we've listed, we encourage you to apply. We do not use automated resume screening technology, and our employees review all applications that we receive.\n\nA note on hiring during the COVID-19 pandemicย \nThe majority of our colleagues have historically worked out of our Philadelphia office, but during the pandemic we transitioned the entire company to remote work. While many of our colleagues are continuing to work remotely for the time being, the office is now open and we can accommodate either in-person or remote interviews depending on the health and safety concerns of you and our team. We have made arrangements for remote onboarding, including shipping relevant materials and a laptop to your home. We are fortunate to have invested in meaningful work-from-home tools and processes over the years and have been able to continue providing a secure, flexible, and safe work environment for all of our colleagues. We ask for your patience as we adapt our hiring process as well, and are happy to answer any questions or concerns about the process.\n\nOffice and Benefits\nOur Philadelphia headquarters is located in a brightly lit office on the 5th floor of a converted factory building in the Callowhill neighborhood, a short walk from Center City, the Reading Terminal Market, and SEPTA subway and regional rail stations. For bicyclists, we have in-house bike parking, showers, and lockers. The office itself is arranged as an open office plan with many smaller rooms for team meetings and concentration time. You get your own desk with a high-end Linux workstation or Apple laptop and extra monitors. We have flex-time to deal with personal stuff, and most people work a 40 - 45 hour week on a regular schedule. After the first six months, our staff can also spend up to 10% of their time on an open source, professional development, or R&D project. Recent 10% time projects include experiments with machine learning, React Native, and various forms of serverless processing with Amazon Lambda.\n\nWe offer a salary commensurate with skills and experience. Azavea's starting salaries for Software Engineer II and III range from $80,000-$108,000. We are also open to hiring a senior engineer. If hired as a Senior Software Engineer we anticipate a salary in the $108,000-$120,000 range. Our benefits package includes:\n- Fully subsidized health care, dental care, prescription plan, including for spouse/partner and children\n- Fully subsidized life and long-term disability insurance, plus voluntary short-term disability insurance\n- Medical reimbursement plan to cover what the health insurance does not\n- Retirement plan with matching percentage\n- Almost 4 weeks paid vacation plus additional paid sick/personal time off\n- Family and medical leave\n- Flexible work schedule\n- Paid maternity and paternity leave\n- Child care subsidy\n- Paid time off for voting and volunteering\n- Education assistance plan\n- Student loan assistance\n- Public transit and biking reimbursement plans\n- Monthly guest lectures with lunches on the company\n- 10% time for research or learning projects\n- Profit-sharing bonus plan\n- Financial transparency through an open book policy\n- Kind, capable and thoughtful colleagues\n\nWe welcome qualified candidates from all walks of life and value diversity in our company. We prohibit discrimination based on race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, veteran status, military service, disability unrelated to job requirements, marital status, or domestic partner status.\n\n\nThe deadline for this application is September 3, 2021. \n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Engineer, Developer, Digital Nomad, React, JavaScript, Amazon, Education, Serverless, Python, Senior, Medical and Linux jobs that are similar:\n\n
$70,000 — $120,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nPhiladelphia, PA (option for partial remote)
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