\nAbout Nava\nNava is a consultancy and public benefit corporation working to make government services simple and effective. Since 2013, federal, state, and local agencies have trusted Nava to help solve highly scrutinized technology modernization challenges.\n\n\nAs a client services company, we guide agencies constrained by legacy systems to a future with sharp user experiences built on secure, reliable, fault-tolerant cloud infrastructure. We bill for our time, offering our expertise and problem-solving approach to help our government partners enhance their digital products and services.\n\n\nPeople are at the heart of our work, from members of the public who rely on benefit programs to government agency staff. Through human-centered design and modern engineering best practices, we help our government partners better understand user needs and deliver on their missions more effectively. This focus gives everyone at Nava the opportunity to do work that is meaningful, impactful, and deeply connected to public good.\n\n\nPosition summary \nYou will work on small teams to build scalable infrastructure for our government -- designing, implementing, and delivering services that millions of Americans depend on. You care deeply about working on technology that improves peopleโs lives, but donโt think technology is always the answer. You are passionate about building large-scale systems that are inclusive, well-designed, fast, scalable, and secure, and you'll help set high standards for our teams in terms of simplicity, empathy, and accessibility.\n\n\n\n\nThe full stack engineer in this role will be responsible for developing end to end systems for one of Navaโs major government partners. This is an opportunity to create a more secure and equitable experience for the public. The team will be extending the clientโs existing codebase using mainly DevOps, Javascript, and Python to build widely relied upon services by millions of people nationwide.\n\n\n\nWhat you'll do\n* Working with fellow Nava engineers to design, review, and build well-crafted software.\n* Collaborating with government partners and other contractors to architect, implement, and deploy new systems and improvements to existing systems.\n* Working in an agile manner to efficiently ship new features that meet user needs.\n* Creating tools and processes to automate our development, testing, and production workflows.\n* Writing and reviewing technical documentation, and performing code reviews.\n* Participating in an on-call rotation to support production systems and investigate issues when they occur.\n* Taking part in hiring activities (e.g., submitting referrals, conducting interviews, and attending interview debriefs), as needed.\n\n\n\nRequired skills\n* At least 6 years of hands-on professional work experience building web applications and creating APIs\n* Experience with backend & DevOps skills, Java Spring, Kubernetes, and SQL/RDS,\n* Understanding of web and mobile user interface design best practices\n* Should be comfortable working in a fast-paced, dynamic environment in a self-directed manner that requires minimal supervision\n* Familiarity with web accessibility standards to deliver services that are not just minimally accessible, but a simple and intuitive experience for all users, including those who rely on assistive technologies\n* Strong communication and cross-functional collaboration skills\n* Equal parts systems thinker and advocate for users\n* Highly resourceful, reliable, and detail-oriented\n* Ability to think strategically around trade-offs and short-term vs. long-term benefits\n* An adaptive, empathetic, collaborative, and positive mindset\n* Excellent written and real-time communication. technical and otherwise\n\n\n\n\n\n$135,900 - $171,000 a year\n\nOther requirements\nAll roles at Nava require the following: \nMust be legally authorized to work in the United States.\nMust meet any other requirements for government contracts for which candidates are hired.\nWork authorization that doesnโt require visa sponsorship, now or in the future.\nMay be subject to a government background check or security clearance, depending on the contract.\n\n\nPerks working with Nava\nHealth coverage โ Comprehensive medical, dental, and vision plans to support your overall health needs.\nTime off โ Vacation, holidays (including Juneteenth), and floating days to rest and recharge.\nCompany holidays- Enjoy 12 paid federal holidays each year on top of your regular PTO.\nAnnual bonus โ When Nava meets goals, eligible employees receive a performance-based annual bonus.\nParental leave โ Paid time off for new parents, plus weekly meals delivered to your home.\nWellness program โ Full platform offering physical, mental, & emotional health resources & support tools.\nVirtual care โ See doctors online with no copay through UnitedHealthcareโs virtual visit program.\nSabbatical leave โ Earn extended paid leave after continuous service for personal growth or rest.\n401(k) match โ Nava matches 4% of your salary to support your retirement savings plan.\nFlexible work โ Remote-first environment with flexibility built around your schedule and responsibilities.\nHome office setup โ Company laptop & setup assistance provided via Staples for remote work needs.\nUtility support โ Monthly reimbursement to help offset eligible home office utility expenses.\nLearning opportunities โ Internal training programs and resources to help grow your professional skills.\nDevelopment budget โ Annual allowance for courses, tuition, certifications, & LinkedIn Learning access.\nReferral bonus โ Get rewarded when you refer great people who join the Nava team.\nCommuter benefits โ Pre-tax commuter programs to support in-office travel when applicable.\nInsurance coverage โ Nava provides disability, life, and accidental death insurance at no cost.\nSupportive culture โ A collaborative and remote-friendly team environment where people genuinely care.\n\n\nLocation\nWe have fully remote options if you reside in one of the following states: \n\n\nAlabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, DC, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin. \n\n\n*If you are not living in one of the states listed above, unfortunately, you will not be considered for a position at this time. Additionally, if employed with Nava, you must be based in the U.S. and cannot work from outside the country.\n\n\nStay in touch\nSign up for our newsletter to find out about career opportunities, new partnerships, and news from the broader civic tech community. \n\n\nPlease contact the recruiting team at [email protected] if you would like to request reasonable accommodation during the application or interviewing process. \n\n\nWe participate in E-Verify. Upon hire, we will provide the federal government with your Form I-9 information to confirm that you are authorized to work in the U.S. This role requires you to work from the contiguous United States. \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, Python, Travel, DevOps, Java, Cloud, Mobile, Senior, Engineer and Backend jobs that are similar:\n\n
$62,500 — $92,500/year\n
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๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nRemote
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\nAbout Super.com\n\n\nWe started Super.com to help maximize livesโboth the lives of our customers and the lives of our employeesโ so that everyone can experience all that life has to offer. For our employees, our promise is that Super.com is more than just a job; itโs an opportunity to unlock oneโs potential, where learning is celebrated and impact is realized. \n\n\nWe are more than a fast-paced, high-growth tech company; we care about our people and take career progression seriously. This is your career and our aim is to supercharge it through the people, the work, and the programs that fuel who we are.\n\n\nAbout this role\nAs a staff full-stack engineer you will be one of the most senior technical contributors on our teams. You will tackle the most difficult technical challenges the team faces spanning both frontend and backend web development work. This will include building features for our fintech, travel, eCommerce, and/or superapp products along with the engines and frameworks that power them. You will predominantly work with React on the frontend, and a combination of Python and Node microservices on the backend. Other technologies youโll work with include Gitlab, AWS, Postgres, Redis, Datadog, Amplitude, and Snowflake. You will report to an Engineering Manager. From a Senior Engineer you may grow on the IC track into a Staff Software Engineer or on the people track into an Engineering Manager.\n\n\n\nAbout You\n* Weโre looking for highly-motivated self-starters who share our excitement for growth and impact\n* Willing and able to work with both backend and frontend parts of the stack, though the proportion of time spent doing each will be influenced by the candidateโs interests\n* Interested in building products in a startup environment: moving quickly, being data-driven, wearing multiple hats, continuously learning\n* Strong communicator, and able to thrive on an agile team, contributing to: standups, sprint ceremonies, and quarterly project planning, and working with various internal and external stakeholders\n* Highly motivated, have a strong sense of ownership, and are able to drive complex projects end-to-end\n* 8+ years of professional working experience in software development, including 5+ years of Python or Node on the backend, and 5+ years working with a modern frontend JS framework (ex. React, Vue, Angular)\n* Experience working with web services / modern web technologies and comfortable tackling system design challenges\n* Have mentored more junior developers\n\n\n\nChallenges you'll solve\n* Ship projects end-to-end in a fast-paced, iterative environment\n* Have the opportunity to very meaningfully propel the business forward, and experience the impact of your work on the companyโs business metrics and user experience\n* Own features, services, caches, and databases, including deployment, monitoring, debugging, and testing\n* Uphold standards for quality by performing code reviews\n* Mentor junior developers\n* Participate in cross-functional team projects, work with external stakeholders, and help shape the roadmap for future team projects\n* Be data-driven and close to the customer, conducting experiments for nearly everything you launch\n\n\n\nBonus Points\n* Working experience across a breadth of our infrastructure, languages and stacks (React, Python, Node, Gitlab, AWS, Docker, Postgres, Redis, Datadog, Amplitude, and Snowflake)\n* SQL / analytics know-how, and experience with devops concepts\n* Experience in a startup environment\n* Worked closely with business stakeholders\n* Experience writing end-to-end/browser-based tests\n\n\n\nWe've got you covered!\n* Competitive salary packages, equity options, great benefits from day one, wellness budgets, as well as personal and team-level development budgets \n* We are remote first โ you have the flexibility to work from around the world and the hours that make sense for youโ so that you can do your best work while living life on your own terms \n* Other perks include: unlimited PTO, recharge days, travel discounts on SuperTravel, Weekly UberEats credit\n* We welcome new family additions with generous parental leave and a flexible return-to-work plan\n* This is just scratching the surface โ check out our careers site for a more detailed overview of our perks & benefits\n\n\n\n\n\n$125,000 - $210,000 a yearAs part of our compensation philosophy at Super.com we benchmark roles based on geographic location. The base salary range for this position is $125,000 CDN - $210,000 CDN.\n\nWe Believe in Equal Opportunity \n\n\nWe are an equal opportunity employer and value diversity at our company. We do not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, color, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, age, marital status, veteran status, or disability status. \n\n\nAccommodations are available on request for candidates taking part in all aspects of the selection process. If needed, please notify our Talent Acquisition Partner. \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, React, Python, DevOps, Node, Senior, Junior, Engineer and Backend jobs that are similar:\n\n
$60,000 — $100,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nVancouver
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\nAt MNTN, weโve built a culture based on quality, trust, ambition, and accountability โ but most importantly, we really enjoy working here. We pride ourselves on our self-service platform and are constantly seeking to improve the user experience for our customers and scale for efficiency. Our startup spirit powers our growth mindset and supports our teammates as they build the future of ConnectedTV. Weโre looking for people who naturally want to do more, own more, and make an impact in their careers โ and weโre seeking someone to be part of our next stage of growth.\n\nMNTN technology pushes the limits of application development by taking advantage of the latest open-source software, with a strong emphasis on building flexible technology to put the control in our users' hands. \n\nOur microservices handle over hundreds of millions of requests per day, upon which a platform for real-time behavioral marketing is built to drive performance in cross-device advertising. We heavily utilize open source technology and in-house solutions to meet the low latency demands of rapid response advertising.\n\nWhat Youโll Do:\n\n\n* Design and build a robust marketing platform that reaches the right audience, anywhere, anytime\n\n* Build high volume services that are reliable at scale\n\n* Develop big data solutions using open source frameworks\n\n* Collaborate with and explain complex technical issues to Product and Project Leads\n\n* Optimize and enhance existing products\n\n\n\n\nWhat Youโll Bring:\n\n\n* 5+ years of Rust development experience\n\n* 2+ years of experience writing SQL queries and designing database tables\n\n* Kotlin, Python experience (Preferred)\n\n* Knowledge of modern design patterns\n\n* Experience with Microservice style architecture\n\n* Experience using Cloud hosting solutions (K8, Istio, etc.)\n\n* Experience using GIT\n\n* Knowledge of HTTP lifecycle\n\n* Knowledge of DRY, BDD, and how to write effective unit & functional test cases\n\n* Comfortable in a Linux/UNIX environment\n\n* Experience on AWS, GCP, or other cloud infrastructure\n\n* Knowledge of NoSQL databases such as Cassandra, Dynamodb, Redis (Preferred)\n\n\n\n\nMNTN perks:\n\n\n* 100% remote within the US\n\nFlexible vacation policy\n\nAnnual vacation allowance for travel related expenses\n\n* Three-day weekend every month of the year\n\n* Competitive compensation\n\n* 100% healthcare coverage\n\n* 401k plan\n\n* Flexible Spending Account (FSA) for dependent, medical, and dental care\n\n* Access to coaching, therapy, and professional development\n\n\n\n\nAbout MNTN:\n\nOur recruiters will always reach out using an email address ending with @mountain.com. If youโre contacted by someone without that address and they mention a Reference Code (which we never use), then that ainโt us folks. Tell those trolls to take a hikeโyouโre waiting to climb a MNTN.\n\nMNTN provides advertising software for brands to reach their audience across Connected TV, web, and mobile. MNTN Performance TV has redefined what it means to advertise on television, transforming Connected TV into a direct-response, performance marketing channel. Our web retargeting has been leveraged by thousands of top brands for over a decade, driving billions of dollars in revenue.\n\nOur solutions give advertisers total transparency and complete control over their campaigns โ all with the fastest go-live in the industry. As a result, thousands of top brands have partnered with MNTN, including Petsmart, Build with Ferguson Master, Simplisafe, Yieldstreet and National University.\n\n#Li-Remote \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, Redis, Python, Travel, Cloud, NoSQL, Senior, Marketing, Engineer and Backend jobs that are similar:\n\n
$60,000 — $100,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nAustin, Texas, United States
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Job Requisition ID # 23WD74138 Position Overview Embark on an enriching journey with Autodesk as a Software Architect, stepping into an important position important to the transformation and modernization of our mission-critical licensing platform. We are at the forefront of the company's licensing needs and have tremendous visibility and impact across all of Autodesk. The platform stack is complex and is integrated with the desktop as well as cloud products. In this role, you will influence the trajectory of our software systems. You will focus on improving the resiliency and scalability of the platform. You will ensure alignment with the latest industry best practices. In this capacity, you'll mentor a geographically dispersed development team, elevating the standards of engineering excellence across the board. Join us in shaping the future of software architecture at Autodesk. As part of this role, you will be reporting to the Director of Engineering. This job will be fully remote with occasional onsite workshops/meetings. This job also might need occasional travel to APAC. Responsibilities Collaborate with cross-functional teams to gain an understanding of the current system's architecture and functionality Develop a strategic direction for the licensing platform and ensure that the tactical direction is to support the larger strategy Drive broad consensus and agreement across teams and GEOs Lead the design and implementation of scalable, maintainable software solutions Provide technical guidance and mentorship to a geographically distributed development team, fostering collaboration and knowledge sharing Ensure the security, performance, and reliability of the platform Stay informed about emerging technologies and industry trends, incorporating them into the platform's architecture by conducting code and architecture reviews Raise the bar within the team and across the organization Partner with Product Management and Business leads regarding future platform and technology issues and the effect of decisions on all projects Create formal networks with industry and cross organizational leadership communities to develop standards, and foster platform growth Work on issues where analysis of situations or data requires and evaluation of intangibles Minimum Qualifications 10+ years of software engineering experience building large-scale distributed systems Have designed and implemented complex software systems Broad knowledge of AWS, server programming, databases, and cloud architectures Experience working with container frameworks (Docker) and container orchestration tools (AWS ECS, Kubernetes) Experience with Microservices, API architecture and management Work experience in a global and distributed environment Technology stack: Java/Spring, AWS/Containers, Go, R, and Python Learn More About Autodesk Welcome to Autodesk! Amazing things are created every day with our software โ from the greenest buildings and cleanest cars to the smartest factories and biggest hit movies. We help innovators turn their ideas into reality, transforming not only how things are made, but what can be made. We take great pride in our culture here at Autodesk โ our Culture Code is at the core of everything we do. Our values and ways of working help our people thrive and realize their potential, which leads to even better outcomes for our customers. When youโre an Autodesker, you can be your whole, authentic self and do meaningful work that helps build a better future for all. Ready to shape the world and your future? Join us! Benefits From health and financial benefits to time away and everyday wellness, we give Autodeskers the best, so they can do their best work. Learn more about our benefits in the U.S. by visiting https://benefits.autodesk.com/ Salary transparency Salary is one part of Autodeskโs competitive compensation package. For U.S.-based roles, we expect a starting base salary between $160,000 and $258,720. Offers are based on the candidateโs experience and geographic location, and may exceed this range. In addition to base salaries, we also have a significant emphasis on annual cash bonuses, commissions for sales roles, stock grants, and a comprehensive benefits package. Equal Employment Opportunity At Autodesk, we're building a diverse workplace and an inclusive culture to give more people the chance to imagine, design, and make a better world. Autodesk is proud to be an equal opportunity employer and considers all qualified applicants for employment without regard to race, color, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, national origin, disability, veteran status or any other legally protected characteristic. We also consider for employment all qualified applicants regardless of criminal histories, consistent with applicable law. Diversity & Belonging We take pride in cultivating a culture of belonging and an equitable workplace where everyone can thrive. Learn more here: https://www.autodesk.com/company/diversity-and-belonging Are you an existing contractor or consultant with Autodesk? Please search for open jobs and apply internally (not on this external site). Welcome to Autodesk! Amazing things are created every day with our software โ from the greenest buildings and cleanest cars to the smartest factories and biggest hit movies. We help innovators turn their ideas into reality, transforming not only how things are made, but what can be made. We take great pride in our culture here at Autodesk โ our Culture Code is at the core of everything we do. Our values and ways of working help our people thrive and realize their potential, which leads to even better outcomes for our customers. When youโre an Autodesker, you can be your whole, authentic self and do meaningful work that helps build a better future for all. Ready to shape the world and your future? Join us! Not quite ready to apply? Join our talent community to stay up to date on new job opportunities and the latest Autodesk news. \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, Python, Cloud, API and Sales jobs that are similar:\n\n
$50,000 — $110,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nAMER - United States - Oregon - Portland
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