Job Description Team: As a member of the Fintel team, youโll have the opportunity to work on innovative solutions not only creating software but building trust and stability in the digital age. With FISโs unmatched investment in innovation and its global reach, youโll be part of a team that operates at a scale that few others can match. You will have a chance to solve problems at a massive scale across over 200k clients, including the worldโs leading banks, and process $1T on an annual basis. You will use the latest AI/ML technologies to build highly available and scalable services to combat fraud. Join the FIS Financial Intelligence team and be part of a mission to revolutionize the industry and protect every financial transaction. Role: We are looking for a Staff Software Development Engineer to help us build a brand-new financial technology platform for the future. We look for people who operate like owners, who love to learn, have grit, and operate with integrity and empathy. You're encouraged to apply even if your experience doesn't precisely match the job description. Your skills and passion will stand out โ and set you apart. We welcome diverse perspectives and people who are not afraid to challenge assumptions. Note: We have a hybrid work environment in our Seattle/Bellevue office unless the role or business dictates otherwise. What you will be doing: Contribute on major initiatives to extend our financial platform capabilities. Partner closely with product managers, designers, and other stakeholders to fully understand the feature and product vision and provide engineering feedback. Design elegant API interfaces and domain models to provide consistency across multiple downstream vendor integrations. Build secure, robust, scalable, and performant systems for processing transactions and managing customer data. Create and integrate sophisticated web-based user interfaces and journeys Set and maintain high standards of technical excellence across the team. Achieve operational excellence by participating in the team on-call rotation and owning production issues from root cause analysis to resolution. Collaborate with cross-functional stakeholders to prioritize projects and communicate changes to broader audiences. Estimate project timelines, ensuring that projects you own stay on track and escalating as needed. Mentor junior engineers and help hire new talent to build a stronger team. What you will need: 4+ years of relevant technical experience in software development roles. Full-stack development experience. Fluency with web UI frameworks such as React or similar. Bachelorโs degree in computer science or directly related field. Experience leading projects from architectural design to production, while setting and maintaining high standards of technical excellence across your team. Strong communication and collaboration skills, and a history of working effectively with your team and cross-functional stakeholders. Experience or interest in building FinTech, payment, or banking systems. Added bonus if you have: 5+ years of experience working on high scale or high stakes production software. 2+ years of experience working with service mesh architectures on major Cloud providers like AWS/Azure/GCP. 2+ years of experience in building FinTech, payment, or banking systems. Experience designing and implementing APIs for third-party developers. Experience integrating third-party vendor solutions into backend systems. Experience with Python (Flask & Django)/Go/Java and Kubernetes. FIS is committed to providing its employees with an exciting career opportunity and competitive compensation. The pay range for this full-time position is $189,100.00 - $317,690.00 and reflects the minimum and maximum target for new hire salaries for this position based on the posted role, level, and location. Within the range, actual individual starting pay is determined additional factors, including job-related skills, experience, and relevant education or training. Any changes in work location will also impact actual individual starting pay. Please consult with your recruiter about the specific salary range for your preferred location during the hiring process. Privacy Statement FIS is committed to protecting the privacy and security of all personal information that we process in order to provide services to our clients. For specific information on how FIS protects personal information online, please see the Online Privacy Notice. EEOC Statement FIS is an equal opportunity employer. We evaluate qualified applicants without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, marital status, genetic information, national origin, disability, veteran status, and other protected characteristics. The EEO is the Law poster is available here supplement document available here For positions located in the US, the following conditions apply. If you are made a conditional offer of employment, you will be required to undergo a drug test. ADA Disclaimer: In developing this job description care was taken to include all competencies needed to successfully perform in this position. However, for Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) purposes, the essential functions of the job may or may not have been described for purposes of ADA reasonable accommodation. All reasonable accommodation requests will be reviewed and evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Sourcing Model Recruitment at FIS works primarily on a direct sourcing model; a relatively small portion of our hiring is through recruitment agencies. FIS does not accept resumes from recruitment agencies which are not on the preferred supplier list and is not responsible for any related fees for resumes submitted to job postings, our employees, or any other part of our company. #pridepass \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, React, Python, Recruiter, Cloud, API, Executive, Junior, Engineer and Backend jobs that are similar:\n\n
$57,500 — $92,500/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nUS WA GRT SEA Virtual
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Job Description We are the FIS Embedded Finance team, and our mission is to enable developers across all verticals to imagine, create and monetize financial products to profoundly transform the way the entire financial industry consumes services. Today, it's difficult for many businesses to build the financial products they imagine. Whether that's launching a new credit or debit card, a savings account, a lending business, or anything else โ there are barriers in the way, that require excessive time and effort. We make it trivially easy for businesses to compliantly offer financial products and innovate on their key differentiators rather than spend all their time building and maintaining financial infrastructure. We are looking for Backend Software Engineers to help us build a brand-new financial technology platform for the future. We look for people who operate like owners, love to learn, have grit, and operate with integrity and empathy. You're encouraged to apply even if your experience doesn't precisely match the job description. Your skills and passion will stand out โ and set you apart. We welcome diverse perspectives and people who are not afraid to challenge assumptions. **NOTE: This position is based in the greater Seattle/Bellevue, WA area. We plan to bring the team together regularly for design, ideation, and connection-building. GENERAL DUTIES & RESPONSIBILITIES Deliver high quality code following the best practices of coding standards, efficiency, readability, maintainability, reliability, well tested. Partner closely with product managers, designers, and other stakeholders to fully understand the feature and product vision and provide engineering feedback. Design elegant API interfaces and domain models to provide consistency across multiple downstream vendor integrations. Build secure, robust, scalable, and performant systems for processing transactions and managing customer data. Set and maintain high standards of technical excellence across the team. Achieve operational excellence by participating in the team on-call rotation and owning production issues from root cause analysis to resolution. Collaborate with cross-functional stakeholders to prioritize projects and communicate changes to broader audiences. Estimate project timelines, ensuring that projects you own stay on track and escalating as needed. Mentor junior engineers and help hire new talent to build a stronger team. โฏ QUALIFICATIONS 10+ years of relevant technical experience in software development roles. Bachelorโs degree in computer science or directly related field. Experience leading projects from architectural design to production while setting and maintaining high standards of technical excellence across your team. Strong communication and collaboration skills and a history of working effectively with your team and cross-functional stakeholders. Experience or interest in building FinTech, payment, or banking systems. โฏ PREFERRED QUALIFICATIONS Experience working with service mesh architectures on major Cloud providers like AWS/Azure/GCP. Experience designing and implementing APIs for third-party developers. Experience integrating third-party vendor solutions into backend systems. Experience with Python (Flask & Django) and Kubernetes. Experience with financial standards like ISO 8583/20022 and ACH/NACHA. What we offer you: At FIS, we hire the best. In return, you receive exceptional benefits, including: Opportunities to innovate in FinTech Tools for personal and professional growth Inclusive and diverse work environment Resources to invest in your community Competitive salary and benefits #Platforms FIS is committed to providing its employees with an exciting career opportunity and competitive compensation. The pay range for this full-time position is $136,190.00 - $228,790.00 and reflects the minimum and maximum target for new hire salaries for this position based on the posted role, level, and location. Within the range, actual individual starting pay is determined additional factors, including job-related skills, experience, and relevant education or training. Any changes in work location will also impact actual individual starting pay. Please consult with your recruiter about the specific salary range for your preferred location during the hiring process. Privacy Statement FIS is committed to protecting the privacy and security of all personal information that we process in order to provide services to our clients. For specific information on how FIS protects personal information online, please see the Online Privacy Notice. EEOC Statement FIS is an equal opportunity employer. We evaluate qualified applicants without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, marital status, genetic information, national origin, disability, veteran status, and other protected characteristics. The EEO is the Law poster is available here supplement document available here For positions located in the US, the following conditions apply. If you are made a conditional offer of employment, you will be required to undergo a drug test. ADA Disclaimer: In developing this job description care was taken to include all competencies needed to successfully perform in this position. However, for Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) purposes, the essential functions of the job may or may not have been described for purposes of ADA reasonable accommodation. All reasonable accommodation requests will be reviewed and evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Sourcing Model Recruitment at FIS works primarily on a direct sourcing model; a relatively small portion of our hiring is through recruitment agencies. FIS does not accept resumes from recruitment agencies which are not on the preferred supplier list and is not responsible for any related fees for resumes submitted to job postings, our employees, or any other part of our company. #pridepass \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Design, Python, Recruiter, Finance, Cloud, API, Executive, Junior, Engineer and Backend jobs that are similar:\n\n
$60,000 — $102,500/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nUS WA SEA Virtual
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Our Mission: \nTo capture the hearts and minds of millions of players across the world by creating unforgettable games powered by the best technology.\n\nAbout Us:\n\nPlayQ is a rapidly growing global entertainment and technology company delivering high-quality mobile titles and innovative game development solutions to a worldwide audience. Our games have been downloaded more than 60 million times across the globe, with millions of users playing every day! \n\nOur dedicated teams, based in downtown Santa Monica, CA, work together to craft the clever, visually stunning, and unforgettable experiences that our players love. Our emphasis on individual leadership means each team member has the opportunity to make a big impact, while our commitment to creative freedom gives them the ability to create whatever they can imagine. \n\nItโs this mindset that has led us to develop our own IP, infuse games with rich storytelling, build our own development tools, and solve the deepest technical challenges - all in the name of disrupting the mobile gaming landscape.\n\nWhy you'll want to come to work:\n\nAs a Lead DevOps Engineer, you will play a pivotal role in spearheading the design, implementation, and maintenance of robust and scalable infrastructure solutions. You will manage DevOps engineering projects on the team, collaborate closely with our global game and services development teams, and automate processes to enhance overall company efficiency. You will be at the forefront of overseeing the design, creation and management of CI/CD pipelines, cloud infrastructure, and backend service deployments to ensure seamless and automated delivery of applications.\n\nIn this role, you will be instrumental in shaping the technological landscape, fostering innovation, and contributing to the success of PlayQโs mission. Youโd be an ideal fit for this role if you:\n\n\n* Possess a visionary mindset, shaping high-level architectures that power the future of gaming infrastructure.\n\n* Inspire and drive global teams of engineers, translating blueprints into resilient, scalable systems with a "can-do" attitude.\n\n* Roll up your sleeves and dive into technical challenges, leading by example and fostering a hands-on and solutions focused approach.\n\n* Display a proven track record of driving results, demonstrably reducing deployment time and optimizing performance\n\n* Communicate effectively across technical and non-technical audiences, collaborating seamlessly with global game and service development teams.\n\n* Possess a passion for learning and innovation, staying ahead of the curve in cloud technologies and DevOps best practices.\n\n* Embrace a fast-paced, collaborative environment, thriving in a culture where ideas are valued and teamwork is paramount.\n\n\n\n\nWhat you'll get to create:\n\n\n* Lead the design, implementation, and maintenance of highly scalable and secure infrastructure solutions, collaborating closely with development teams to automate manual processes and boost overall team efficiency.\n\n* Architect and oversee efficient CI/CD pipelines built with TeamCity and GitHub Actions, ensuring seamless and automated delivery of game and service updates.\n\n* Architect and lead the development of our Python-based interactive Slack bot, ensuring scalability, robustness, and seamless integration with our internal systems and workflows.\n\n* Leverage proficiency in Bash, Python, and Kotlin to build and maintain robust automation scripts, CI/CD pipelines, and IaC configurations.\n\n* Architect and implement a robust, scalable infrastructure for game deployment using Harness, Terraform, and AWS cloud platform tools (EKS, S3, CloudFront, etc.).\n\n* Partner with cross-functional teams and engineers to streamline build and deployment processes, aligning them with business objectives.\n\n* Drive effective communication with stakeholders, providing regular updates and actionable insights into DevOps initiatives.\n\n* Proactively identify and implement innovative CI/CD and IaC tools and processes to continuously optimize workflows and efficiency.\n\n* Manage and document deployment processes and automation, fostering transparency and maintainability.\n\n* Proactively identify and implement innovative CI/CD tools and processes to continuously optimize workflows and efficiency.\n\n* Perform ongoing competitive research into industry best practices.\n\n* Mentor and guide junior team members, fostering a culture of growth and knowledge sharing.\n\n\n\n\n\nWhat you'll bring to the team: \n\n\n* Bachelorโs degree in Computer Science, Information Technology, or a related field.\n\n* 8+ years of Software Development or DevOps experience\n\n* 3+ years of experience as an engineering lead, delegating tasks to key contributors \n\n* 3+ years of experience developing and maintaining Python scripts for automation tasks, CI/CD pipelines, and API integrations\n\n* Proven success in leading multiple engineering projects from execution to completion on time and within budget\n\n* Proven expertise in predicting obstacles and creating project plans that mitigate against risk and disruption\n\n* Strong expertise in cloud platforms such as AWS.\n\n* Expert proficiency in infrastructure as code (IaC) using tools like Terraform or CloudFormation.\n\n* Proven success in leveraging containerization and orchestration tools such as Docker and Kubernetes\n\n* In-depth knowledge of CI/CD and IaC orchestration tools (TeamCity, Harness), version control systems (GitHub), and automated testing\n\n* Solid understanding of security best practices and compliance standards\n\n* Ability to effectively communicate complex, technical information to non-technical teams\n\n* Ability to independently troubleshoot and solution for common engineering challenges\n\n\n\n\nIf you gotten this far, we hope you're feeling excited about this role. Even if you don't feel you meet every single requirement, we still encourage you to apply. We're eager to meet people who believe in PlayQ's mission and can contribute to our team in a variety of waysโnot just candidates who check all the boxes.\n\nWhat we can offer you:\n\n\n* Competitive compensation and equity options\n\n* Comprehensive medical, dental, vision, life, long term disability & pet insurance\n\n* Flexible time off\n\n* Unmatched learning opportunities and mission driven team\n\n* Advancement and mentorship opportunities\n\n* 401K plan with company match\n\n* Flexible Workplace: PlayQโs workplace includes a combination of both in-office, hybrid and remote roles. Our flexible approach to the workplace experience, internal comms, and tech stack promote collaboration, communication, and camaraderie!\n\n* Brand new creative office space equipped with tons of natural light, communal areas for collaboration and free parking\n\n* Walking distance to restaurants, coffee shops, and the metro\n\n* Stocked kitchen with snacks and beverages\n\n* Monthly team building events and cross departmental lunches\n\n* Help build and support awesome GAMES. For a living! Who doesn't love games?\n\n\n\nAt PlayQ, we leverage competitive benchmarking data when setting each roleโs base pay range. Individual base salary will be determined based on job-related factors which may include knowledge, skills, experience, scope of role, business need and geographic location.\nThe estimated base pay range for this role is listed below.\n$135,000-$180,000 USD\nAdditional information:\n\n* In-office location: Santa Monica, CA\n\n* This role is open to remote employees located in select US states including California, Washington, Nevada, Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, New York and Georgia.\n\n* This role is offered as a full time position.\n\n\n\nInterested? Please get in touch! \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Python, Docker, DevOps, Cloud, API, Mobile, Junior, Engineer and Backend jobs that are similar:\n\n
$60,000 — $110,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n
๐ฐ 401(k)\n\n๐ Distributed team\n\nโฐ Async\n\n๐ค Vision insurance\n\n๐ฆท Dental insurance\n\n๐ Medical insurance\n\n๐ Unlimited vacation\n\n๐ Paid time off\n\n๐ 4 day workweek\n\n๐ฐ 401k matching\n\n๐ Company retreats\n\n๐ฌ Coworking budget\n\n๐ Learning budget\n\n๐ช Free gym membership\n\n๐ง Mental wellness budget\n\n๐ฅ Home office budget\n\n๐ฅง Pay in crypto\n\n๐ฅธ Pseudonymous\n\n๐ฐ Profit sharing\n\n๐ฐ Equity compensation\n\nโฌ๏ธ No whiteboard interview\n\n๐ No monitoring system\n\n๐ซ No politics at work\n\n๐ We hire old (and young)\n\n
\n\n#Location\nSanta Monica, California, United States
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**About us:**\n\nFeedStock is a VC backed enterprise SaaS start-up that is working with some of the largest financial and professional services firms in the world. We are a team of bold, ambitious developers, creatives and financial services professionals who are joined by a single vision - to leverage AI to make businesses more profitable. \n \nWe are taking on the largest software segment in the world (CRMs), with a new revolutionary approach to understanding commercial relationships: Client Relationship Analytics (CRA). We automatically capture, structure and measure client activity data across digital touch points to deliver insights like no other. \n\nWe are a small and senior team who operate on a flat management structure โ everyone is encouraged to contribute to product design, strategy and of course, development solutions.\n \nWorking at FeedStock is fast-paced, dynamic and never dull. If you enjoy having a high level of accountability and taking full ownership of your own tasks, as well as working in a collegiate, supporting environment, please get in touch!\n\n**About the role:**\n\nWe are looking to recruit a talented and passionate Python backend developer. You will need to be interested in all things technology, have advanced python coding skills and experience with Linux.\n\nYou will have a strong understanding of software engineering, have strong programming skills and an understanding of automated testing including unit, integration and end-to-end testing. You will have ownership of the whole life-cycle of FeedStockโs product components, from developing new features, fixing bugs, deploying to cloud infrastructure, as well as maintaining the production systems.\n\nYou will report directly to the Head of Development, though we hope for you to retain relative autonomy regarding how to deliver to deadlines in line with the product and technology roadmaps. \n\nWe are looking for someone who has a team mentality and enjoys contributing in an enthusiastic way to the broader discussion about product strategy, to service delivery planning and to mentoring junior developers.\n\n**What you will be doing:**\n\n- Write clear, efficient, tested code\n- Working with the team to ensure system reliability, performance and uptime\n- Taking ownership of the technical architecture and solutions design\n- Maintain and develop ETL data pipelines to ensure usability and accuracy across the entire data infrastructure\n- Integrations into large enterprise IT systems\n- Troubleshoot system issues\n- Contribute to the continuous improvement of internal DevOps tools\n- Build RESTful and GraphQL APIs\n- Learn and use the latest technologies as part of a talented, motivated team\n- Work with the data science team to deliver and optimise AI models\n- FeedStock is an ISO27001 Certified company. All employees are required to complete Information Security training and uphold FeedStockโs Information Security Management System.\n\n**What we are looking for:**\n\n- Exceptional Python coding skills\n- Experience with production environment deployments on AWS public cloud systems\n- Strong experience with relational databases\n- Understanding of Kubernetes\n- Confidence in operating with Linux instances (Ubuntu Server, RedHat) and Docker\n- Enthusiasm and good collaboration\n- Pro-active and self-motivated\n- Interest in new technologies demonstrated through conference attendance and contribution to open source, is a plus\n\n**What you get:**\n\n- The chance to join an exciting start-up as it goes through rapid scaling\n- Pioneering work with leading-edge AI technology\n- Join a passionate, dynamic and fun team that is quickly expanding\n- Flexible working location, with central-London offices\n- Private Health Insurance\n- 25 annual daysโ holiday, with option of carrying 5 days over in to the next year\n- Training and development budget and 3 daysโ additional leave per year to attend conferences/ training opportunities\n- Cycle2Work Scheme \n\nPlease mention the words **ALLEY CRUISE RARE** when applying to show you read the job post completely (#RMjE2LjczLjIxNi4xNDY=). This is a feature to avoid spam applicants. Companies can search these words to find applicants that read this and see they're human.\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n
$50,000 — $80,000/year\n
\n\n#Location\nEurope, GMT timezone +/- 2
# How do you apply?\n\nPlease send CV and introduction to [email protected]
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