**Overview:**\n\nThe legal cannabis market is one of the most dynamic, fast-paced new industries on the planet. Growing adoption for recreational as well as medical use will require public perceptions to shift and evolve— a massive marketing challenge that has to take into account compliance with multiple states and federal regulatory bodies for trade/communications as well as restrictions on fundamental ad channels taken for granted by traditional consumer product marketers.\n\nThose who will succeed in building enduring, global cannabis brands need tools to navigate problems unique to the space. This is why AMNESIA builds products that help the top, enterprise-size cannabis brands compliantly scale their digital marketing and reach the masses with the broader mission of empowering cannabis communities to positively grow.\n\n**The Role:**\n\nAMNESIA is seeking a Senior Full Stack Developer that has a solid foundation in Machine Learning and NLP to join our team on a contract basis.\n\nYou'll collaborate closely with the founders and product team to understand our customers' problems as well as to plan, strategize, & help to develop our enterprise marketing compliance product from closed beta stage to version one. \n\nYou will be responsible for our entire ML/NLP pipeline from ideation to final implementation in order to level up the core feature sets of our compliance product. \n\nYou should have experience building scalable/maintainable complex systems. You should have experience building intuitive products that empower users. You should be able to do all of the above quickly and more efficiently than most.\n\nFounders are veterans of regulated markets who move quickly and are passionate about their work. Our partners and customers are the cream of the crop of the cannabis industry. This role offers huge room for growth for an aggressive and ambitious individual who is excited to work with the founders to take ownership of the core feature-sets in our new product and making a dent in one of the most exciting new industries in the world.\n\n**This is a fully remote position.** \n\n**Responsibilities**\n\n- Architect, design, and hands-on build the software\n- Work closely with the founders and product team to build and implement ML/NLP models to improve our product experience.\n- Prepares datasets to train and validate models.\n- Understands and interprets data to come up with optimal feature sets.\n- Deploys the machine learning algorithms into production environment.\n- Documents and presents the work in a complete and consistent way.\n- Produce clean, well-documented and efficient code\n- Handle automation, infrastructure and orchestration\n- Brainstorm new features and shape the product road map together with the founding team and clients\n\n**Requirements:**\n\n- 3+ years experience with machine learning, computer vision, & natural language processing required\n- Ability to lead the implementation of machine learning models from problem definition to serving it in production.\n- expertise in algorithms and data structure\n- expertise in building APIs and back-end business logic\n- experience working with Python/Django\n- experience with AWS, Google Cloud\n- experience working with React is preferred\n- Great communication & documentation skills in English - both oral and written\n- You are extremely proactive, independent and comfortable with proposing new ideas — and holding your ground when you believe you are right.\n\n**Bonus:**\n\n- experience developing Enterprise SaaS products\n- experience with NLP models for processing biomedical, scientific or clinical text\n- You significantly contributed to building an early stage product\n- You were the first engineer or the lead engineer in a venture funded startup\n- experience working with docker/containers and\n- experience with data engineering tools and containerization\n- experience using system monitoring tools and automated testing frameworks\n\n**What We Value:**\n\n- A high bar for quality of code and quality of user experience\n- Ability to collaborate, iterate, and empathize with a variety of individuals (users and technical / non-technical stakeholders).\n- Extreme curiosity, growth mindset, and ability to learn quickly and work independently.\n- You are keen on learning new methodologies, technologies and tools; also, on evaluating their pros and cons. You ask questions; always eager to learn more. But you are also pragmatic.\n- Ability to think through customer requirements to come up with creative and high-impact ways of solving their problems \n\nPlease mention the words **OVAL DUTY LAUGH** when applying to show you read the job post completely (#RMjE2LjczLjIxNi4zNw==). This is a feature to avoid spam applicants. Companies can search these words to find applicants that read this and see they're human.\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n $80,000 — $130,000/year\n \n\n#Location\nWorldwide

**About Us**\n\nNannyML is an early stage venture funded start-up. At NannyML we build enterprise software for supervising and correcting ML systems in production. That includes detecting data and concept drift, estimating performance loss and suggesting corrective actions as well as a dashboard that presents all these insights for business and technical users. Our goal is to ensure that ML systems keep adding value and that insights that can be extracted from ML systems are clearly communicated to business stakeholders. We want to make ML in production effortless to interact with and extract value from.\n\n\n\n**About the Role**\n\nWe are looking for a Senior Software Engineer to architect and build a great product. You will be working closely with the founding team. Our expertise is in leveraging business information, exploiting data and prototyping data solutions. Your expertise comes in to complement the team: you will be responsible for product development from the software and data engineering side: from designing engineering processes, brainstorming with the founders, through prototyping and first implementation to architectural choices and frameworks. You will have the ownership and the decision making power to shape everything that lies between product and research. As we grow NannyML we expect you to grow with us. We envision your path may grow your position into VP of engineering or similar.\n\nWe are an early stage startup, and so you will wear many hats and be expected to do what's needed for the company to succeed, including working on things that you don't know anything about and at weird times from time to time — we all are. You will have the opportunity to get meaningfully involved in the areas of product, engineering, hiring and people management among others.\n\nWe value freedom with responsibility, transparency and a growth mindset. We believe in generating our own luck by trying out new stuff, always asking, constantly learning, reading and meeting new people with different world-views. We value trying new things, and appreciate that from time to time things may break in the process. Working at NannyML you will have full autonomy to make impactful decisions and prioritise and organise your work the way you see fit.\n\n**Please do not apply for this role if you are not physically located in Europe, Africa or the Middle East (UTC-2 to UTC+3) or you are not fully willing to relocate immediately. This is a fully remote position, however we will be working with you very closely, so significant work hours overlap is necessary. You also need to be able to fly to Belgium or Portugal as needed.**\n\nExperience with early stage product is absolutely necessary. If you don't have such experience please do not apply. Please bear in mind that this is not a web development position, while web development might be a small part of what you do, it is not going to be your main focus.\n\n**Responsibilities**\n\n* Integrate and productionize Data Drift detection and prediction algorithms\n* Develop and deliver CI/CD, version control and testing frameworks\n* Brainstorm new features and shape the product road map together with the founding team and clients\n* Architect, design, and hands-on build the software\n* Produce clean, well-documented and efficient code\n* Handle automation, infrastructure and orchestration\n* Help with implementing NannyML at clients and with clients on-boarding\n\n**Requirements**\n\n**Basic**\n\n* You significantly contributed to building an early stage product\n* You have experience working with data (such as ML systems, big data or building data heavy products like BI tools)\n* Great communication skills in English - both oral and written\n* You are extremely proactive, independent and comfortable with proposing new ideas — and holding your ground when you believe you are right.\n* Strong experience with Python in back-end development, infrastructure or data engineering\n* 5+ years working as a Software Engineer or in a similar role\n* You live in or are willing and able to relocate to EU time zones\n\n**Bonus points**\n\n* You were the first engineer or the lead engineer in a venture funded startup\n* Experience with data engineering tools and containerization\n* Experience using system monitoring tools and automated testing frameworks\n* Experience building enterprise grade software\n* Significant experience with on-premise deployment and integration with enterprise IT systems.\n* Basic familiarity with Machine Learning\n* Masters degree in a STEM related field\n\n**Benefits**\n\n* Fully Remote Working Environment\n* 23+ Days of Planned Leave Annually\n* Paid sick leave and private healthcare plan\n* We support paid parental leave\n* Home office, work and well-being allowances (for yoga, gym etc.) and other nice benefits\n* Stock option plan\n* Salary: 54,000 - 66,000 EUR/year\n \n\nPlease mention the words **ZOO SPATIAL MOTOR** when applying to show you read the job post completely (#RMjE2LjczLjIxNi4zNw==). This is a feature to avoid spam applicants. Companies can search these words to find applicants that read this and see they're human.\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n $49,000 — $78,000/year\n \n\n#Location\nEurope, Africa or the Middle East (UTC-2 to UTC+3)

**About Us**\n\nNannyML is an early stage venture funded start-up. At NannyML we build enterprise software for supervising and correcting ML systems in production. That includes detecting data and concept drift, estimating performance loss and suggesting corrective actions as well as a dashboard that presents all these insights for business and technical users. Our goal is to ensure that ML systems keep adding value and that insights that can be extracted from ML systems are clearly communicated to business stakeholders. We want to make ML in production effortless to interact with and extract value from.\n\n\n\n**About the Role**\n\nWe are looking for a Senior Software Engineer to architect and build a great product. You will be working closely with the founding team. Our expertise is in leveraging business information, exploiting data and prototyping data solutions. Your expertise comes in to complement the team: you will be responsible for product development from the software and data engineering side: from designing engineering processes, brainstorming with the founders, through prototyping and first implementation to architectural choices and frameworks. You will have the ownership and the decision making power to shape everything that lies between product and research. As we grow NannyML we expect you to grow with us. We envision your path may grow your position into VP of engineering or similar.\n\nWe are an early stage startup, and so you will wear many hats and be expected to do what's needed for the company to succeed, including working on things that you don't know anything about and at weird times from time to time — we all are. You will have the opportunity to get meaningfully involved in the areas of product, engineering, hiring and people management among others.\n\nWe value freedom with responsibility, transparency and a growth mindset. We believe in generating our own luck by trying out new stuff, always asking, constantly learning, reading and meeting new people with different world-views. We value trying new things, and appreciate that from time to time things may break in the process. Working at NannyML you will have full autonomy to make impactful decisions and prioritise and organise your work the way you see fit.\n\n**Please do not apply for this role if you are not physically located in Europe, Africa or the Middle East (UTC-2 to UTC+3) or you are not fully willing to relocate immediately. This is a fully remote position, however we will be working with you very closely, so significant work hours overlap is necessary. You also need to be able to fly to Belgium or Portugal as needed.**\n\nExperience with early stage product is absolutely necessary. If you don't have such experience please do not apply. Please bear in mind that this is not a web development position, while web development might be a small part of what you do, it is not going to be your main focus.\n\n**Responsibilities**\n\n* Integrate and productionize Data Drift detection and prediction algorithms\n* Develop and deliver CI/CD, version control and testing frameworks\n* Brainstorm new features and shape the product road map together with the founding team and clients\n* Architect, design, and hands-on build the software\n* Produce clean, well-documented and efficient code\n* Handle automation, infrastructure and orchestration\n* Help with implementing NannyML at clients and with clients on-boarding\n\n**Requirements**\n\n**Basic**\n\n* You significantly contributed to building an early stage product\n* You have experience working with data (such as ML systems, big data or building data heavy products like BI tools)\n* Great communication skills in English - both oral and written\n* You are extremely proactive, independent and comfortable with proposing new ideas — and holding your ground when you believe you are right.\n* Strong experience with Python in back-end development, infrastructure or data engineering\n* 5+ years working as a Software Engineer or in a similar role\n* You live in or are willing and able to relocate to EU time zones\n\n**Bonus points**\n\n* You were the first engineer or the lead engineer in a venture funded startup\n* Experience with data engineering tools and containerization\n* Experience using system monitoring tools and automated testing frameworks\n* Experience building enterprise grade software\n* Significant experience with on-premise deployment and integration with enterprise IT systems.\n* Basic familiarity with Machine Learning\n* Masters degree in a STEM related field\n\n**Benefits**\n\n* Fully Remote Working Environment\n* 23+ Days of Planned Leave Annually\n* Paid sick leave and private healthcare plan\n* We support paid parental leave\n* Home office, work and well-being allowances (for yoga, gym etc.) and other nice benefits\n* Stock option plan\n \n\nPlease mention the words **OBEY SCIENCE HAMMER** when applying to show you read the job post completely (#RMjE2LjczLjIxNi4zNw==). This is a feature to avoid spam applicants. Companies can search these words to find applicants that read this and see they're human.\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n $49,000 — $78,000/year\n \n\n#Location\nEurope, Africa or the Middle East (UTC-2 to UTC+3)

\nPosition: Sr. or Team Lead Machine Learning Engineer, Full Time\n\nLocation: Fully Remote anywhere in the USA or optional office location in SF\n\nAt Cisco Meraki, we know that technology can connect, empower, and drive us. Our mission is to simplify technology so our customers can focus on what's most meaningful to them: their students, patients, customers, and businesses. We’re making networking easier, faster, and smarter with technology that simply works.\n\nAs a Machine Learning engineer on the Insight team, you will collaborate with firmware and full stack engineers to design, plan, and build customer-facing analytics tools. Meraki's cloud-managed model offers a unique opportunity to draw upon data from millions of networks across our wide ranging customer base. The goal is to use the rich telemetry data available from these networks and combine it with the power of machine learning and the cloud to build an analytics engine that can provide intuitive, yet detailed insights into the performance of customer networks.\n\nWhat you can expect:\n\n\n* Build a system that ingests real-time streams of network performance data and identifies network performance degradation, optimizing for both low latency and few false positives\n\n* Design models that predict network performance for customers to help them understand their network performance issues\n\n* Work with firmware and backend engineers to design uplink selection algorithm for SD-WAN\n\n* Collaborate with full stack engineers to make intuitive data visualizations and integrate predictions seamlessly and powerfully into the user experience\n\n* Build, maintain, and monitor data pipelines and infrastructure for training and deploying models\n\n\n\n\nWhat we're ideally looking for:\n\n\n* 5+ years of relevant industry experience\n\n* Advanced training in mathematics, statistics, and modeling\n\n* Experience programming in Python AND some other programming language like scala, golang, ruby, etc.\n\n* Experience working with algorithms and building models for supervised and unsupervised learning.\n\n* Experience using data processing and ML libraries such as Pandas, Scikit-Learn, Tensorflow, Keras, etc.\n\n* Experience working with distributed computing engines like Apache Spark, etc. and real time data streaming services like Amazon Kinesis.\n\n* Experience implementing and monitoring data pipelines.\n\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Machine Learning, Engineer, Executive, Amazon, Cloud, Python, Apache and Backend jobs that are similar:\n\n $75,000 — $120,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n 💰 401(k)\n\n🌎 Distributed team\n\n⏰ Async\n\n🤓 Vision insurance\n\n🦷 Dental insurance\n\n🚑 Medical insurance\n\n🏖 Unlimited vacation\n\n🏖 Paid time off\n\n📆 4 day workweek\n\n💰 401k matching\n\n🏔 Company retreats\n\n🏬 Coworking budget\n\n📚 Learning budget\n\n💪 Free gym membership\n\n🧘 Mental wellness budget\n\n🖥 Home office budget\n\n🥧 Pay in crypto\n\n🥸 Pseudonymous\n\n💰 Profit sharing\n\n💰 Equity compensation\n\n⬜️ No whiteboard interview\n\n👀 No monitoring system\n\n🚫 No politics at work\n\n🎅 We hire old (and young)\n\n

‼️ [Machine Learning/AI Lead needed!] ‼️\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n\n🕦 Full-time\n\n🌎 Remotely or in our office in Warsaw (Europe), regular flights to Oslo (costs are covered)\n\n💰 $50 - $90 an hour\n\n⌛ Duration: 4 - 12 months with the ability to extend\n\n🏁 Start: beginning of August 2018\n\n🇳🇴 2 week-long visit in Oslo at the beginning of the project\n\n👥 4 people with this profile are needed\n\nYet another time we search for extraordinary people to join our nerdy crew! :)\n\nProject for a big retail corporation in Norway (11k employees) with stores across entire Europe. \nYou’ll be working closely with business people (20 years of business experience), IT specialists (SE architects, DevOps, UI/UX people) and also with board members to design and execute digital transformation to replace client’s entire IT infrastructure with an AI-first, data-oriented, modern, future-proof solution. \n\nThe project involves an above-average degree of machine learning system design, conceptual thinking, algorithmic thinking and communication/brainstorming with business-oriented people/industry specialists. \n\nIf you are looking for an easy next project/job, or quick cash - there are better offers out there.\n\nA rare opportunity to hone not only the technical expertise or English skills, but also business-oriented communication, industry-related, practical business know-how and system design skills. \nWe have people with Google DeepMind on their CVs already involved. \n\nLess experienced folks are also welcome to apply - we need many people.\n\n 👉 Contact: [email protected] \n\nPlease mention the words **MIND EXERCISE RACCOON** when applying to show you read the job post completely (#RMjE2LjczLjIxNi4zNw==). This is a feature to avoid spam applicants. Companies can search these words to find applicants that read this and see they're human.\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Machine Learning, Data Science, Executive and English jobs that are similar:\n\n $75,000 — $122,500/year\n

Doximity is transforming the healthcare industry. Our mission is to help doctors save time so they can provide better care for patients.\n\nWe value diversity — in backgrounds and in experiences. Healthcare is a universal concern, and we need people from all backgrounds to help build the future of healthcare. Our data science team is deliberate and self-reflective about the kind of data team and culture that we are building, seeking data scientists and engineers that are not only strong in their own aptitudes but care deeply about supporting each other's growth. We have one of the richest healthcare datasets in the world, and our team brings a diverse set of technical and cultural backgrounds.\n\nDoximity’s social network has over 70% of US doctors as members and 40M connections among them. We currently are looking for a data scientist to lead a team of other data scientists, data engineers and data analysts with the goal of utilizing this medical graph to better connect and promote discussion among our clinician members.\n\nHow you’ll make an impact:\n\n-Build link prediction models to recommend colleagues for our members to connect and engage with (the “people you may know” problem) to increase user engagement across Doximity’s platforms.\n-Leverage data from Doximity’s social graph to improve the user personalization models that recommend medical and social content to our clinician members.\n-Discover trends and new business opportunities from physician’s medical claims and referral networks.\n-Provide technical leadership to other data scientists and data engineers working on our growth and colleaguing product teams.\n\nWhat we’re looking for:\n\n-4+ years of industry experience and M.S./Ph.D. in Computer Science, Engineering, Statistics, or other relevant technical field.\n-4+ years experience with various machine learning methods (classification, clustering, natural language processing, ensemble methods) and parameters that affect their performance.\n-Experience applying graph theory, analytics, and processing to industry problems.\n-Solid engineering skills to build scalable solutions and help automate data processing challenges.\n-Desire to provide technical leadership and mentorship to other data team members.\n-Excellent problem-solving skills and ability to connect data science work to product impacts.\n-Fluent in SQL and Python; experience using Apache Spark (pyspark)\n-Experience working with relational and non-relational databases.\n\nNice to have:\n\n-Experience with neo4j and either Spark GraphX or GraphFrames for performing graph analytics\n\nAbout Doximity\n\nWe’re thrilled to be named the Fastest Growing Company in the Bay Area, and one of Fast Company’s Most Innovative Companies. Joining Doximity means being part of an incredibly talented and humble team. We work on amazing products that over 70% of US doctors (and over one million healthcare professionals) use to make their busy lives a little easier. We’re driven by the goal of improving inefficiencies in our $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare system and love creating technology that has a real, meaningful impact on people’s lives. To learn more about our team, culture, and users, check out our careers page, company blog, and engineering blog. We’re growing fast, and there’s plenty of opportunity for you to make an impact—join us!\n\nDoximity is proud to be an equal opportunity employer, and committed to providing employment opportunities regardless of race, religious creed, color, national origin, ancestry, physical disability, mental disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, sex, gender, gender identity, gender expression, pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding, age, sexual orientation, military or veteran status, or any other protected classification. We also consider qualified applicants with criminal histories, consistent with applicable federal, state and local law. \n\nPlease mention the words **SKIN PROUD MAJOR** when applying to show you read the job post completely (#RMjE2LjczLjIxNi4zNw==). This is a feature to avoid spam applicants. Companies can search these words to find applicants that read this and see they're human.\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to Python, Machine Learning, Data Science, Senior, Stats, Medical and Apache jobs that are similar:\n\n $80,000 — $125,000/year\n

\nIf you’re smart, passionate about technology and enjoy solving complex technical challenges then you should apply to join our best-in-class tech team. We believe that people are our most important asset and one worth protecting. As such, we’re known for creating an enviable working culture to keep our employees smiling on a day to day basis. \n\nWe offer things such as flexible hours, remote working, fortnigtly hackathons and freedom to work on projects of individual interest to name just a few. In fact, our impressive working culture has recently earned us 1st place in the Sunday Times 100 Best Companies to Work for 2015. \n\n\nWe have two different positions.\n\n\n1. Senior Developers who would like to lead a team / projects - We envisage the split here being about 70% hands-on coding and 30% leading the team, liaising with product owners on prioritization work, attending iteration planning meetings with stakeholders, delegating tasks to dev team, and making sure we are following Lean / Agile processes correctly.\n\n\n2. Senior Developers who want to be 100% coders (non-lead) - This role will be 100% hands on working with our other Devs to code beautiful products for our customers! \n\n\n\nSome of our Current Projects: \n\nSeedy - Our custom built CMS. A hybrid, markdown based, sinatra driven CMS but with a TDD undercurrent. Content changes are no different to backend refactoring. Templates are written in a custom DSL that enforces our style guide while still supporting iterative changes and automatic deployment. Across the company people (including business teams) are now being tagged in pull requests and even writing code!\n\nAerie - We’re overhauling our data and analytics architecture. Using the latest approaches in event streaming, we are building a brand new data pipeline based on Kinesis and Redshift that will support the analysis of both structured and semi-structured data in near real-time. This will provide rapid and intuitive customer insight to our decision makers, while also providing exciting machine learning capabilities back to our core product offering.\n\nAAA - We are enhancing our new world platform. Our current focus is on security with a view to building out ‘infrastructure as code’ using tools such as AWS CloudFormation, AWS OpsWorks, Chef/Puppet and many others. Essentially, we believe a well architected system allows us to avoid unnecessary complexity and can enable individuals to generate great output.\n\nOur Tech Stack\n\n\n\n\n* Ruby\n\n* Rails                                                                                                                            \n\n* Scala  \n\n* MongoDB\n\n* RabbitMQ\n\n* Puppet/Boxen\n\n* AWS                                                                                                                        \n\n* Hadoop / RedShift / Looker /Tableau\n\n* Cucumber / RSpec / Jasmine                              \n\n* SASS / HAML / HTML5 / CSS3 / JavaScript / CoffeeScript / jQuery\n\n\n\n\n\nThis list changes all the time, as being on the lookout for new technology trials and opportunities is part of our code. We don’t believe in limiting ourselves, or the company. If there are other tools that could get the job done better, we’re committed to exploring them.\n\nThings we believe in:\n\n\n\n\n* TDD / BDD\n\n* Continuous Delivery\n\n* Pair Programming\n\n* Build – Measure - Learn\n\n* Active participation to open source\n\n* Our business people writing code (we've not seen this anywhere else!)                                \n\n* Cross functional teams (Dev / QA/ Data / UX / Product owners all sitting together)            \n\n* Release early and learn quickly - we release our software to production around 15 times a day on average!        \n\n* Continuous learning - we look to pay for courses and conferences and actively encourage our Devs to get out and about in the community. We have even sent some of our Devs to Miami, Portugal and Barcelona for conferences recently.                                                              \n\n* Have fun! We do ruby coding challenges during lunchtimes over pizza, we have desk beers on a friday, we have several social events throughout the year, we do fortnightly hackathons, we have afterwork clubs like: UX, Data science and Robotics club, we have flexible working hours, weekly 'show n tell' sessions, and lot's more!                                                                                                 \n\n\n \n\n#Salary and compensation\n No salary data published by company so we estimated salary based on similar jobs related to JavaScript, InfoSec, Java, Cloud, CSS, Quality Assurance, HTML, Python, Scala, Ruby, Admin, Machine Learning, Data Science, Senior, jQuery, Sys Admin, Backend, Design and Digital Nomad jobs that are similar:\n\n $70,000 — $120,000/year\n
\n\n#Benefits\n 💰 401(k)\n\n🌎 Distributed team\n\n⏰ Async\n\n🤓 Vision insurance\n\n🦷 Dental insurance\n\n🚑 Medical insurance\n\n🏖 Unlimited vacation\n\n🏖 Paid time off\n\n📆 4 day workweek\n\n💰 401k matching\n\n🏔 Company retreats\n\n🏬 Coworking budget\n\n📚 Learning budget\n\n💪 Free gym membership\n\n🧘 Mental wellness budget\n\n🖥 Home office budget\n\n🥧 Pay in crypto\n\n🥸 Pseudonymous\n\n💰 Profit sharing\n\n💰 Equity compensation\n\n⬜️ No whiteboard interview\n\n👀 No monitoring system\n\n🚫 No politics at work\n\n🎅 We hire old (and young)\n\n